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Background of some of the information related to the
Ichlov-Ospovat trees
Surnames were taken at different times in different countries.
Austrian Empire in 1787
Russian Pale in 1804 but not enforced until 1835/1845
Russian Poland in 1821
West Galicia in 1805
France in 1808
SURNAME SOURCES:
Only a few families had surnames before 1800. (Rabbinical families: Rapaport, Auerbach, Rothschild, Katzenellenbogen, Horowitz, etc).
Just because two people have the same surname, it does not necessarily mean that they are related. Very few Jewish surnames are monogenetic, i.e. there was more than one progenitor with that surname. Many Jewish surnames (e.g. Cohen, Levine, Katz, Kaplan, Weiss, Klein, Feldman, Greenberg, Freidman, Finkelstein, Epstein, most patronymics) are extremely common, each having tens of thousands of bearers. Common names sprang up in many non-related families throughout Eastern Europe. So doing surname matches alone is not always productive. Geography matches are often more important than the surname matches.
Austrian Empire in 1787
Russian Pale in 1804 but not enforced until 1835/1845
Russian Poland in 1821
West Galicia in 1805
France in 1808
SURNAME SOURCES:
- Patronymics / Matronymics: Based on a parent's given name:
- Slavic suffixes "-owicz", "-ovitch", "-off", "-kin",
- Germanic suffix "-son".
- "Abramowitz" = son of Abram,
- "Mendelsohn" = son of Mendel
- Toponyms: Based on a geographic place name:
- Slavic suffix "-ski", Germanic suffix "-er".
- "Warshawski" = one from Warsaw,
- "Berliner" = one from Berlin, "Wilner" = one from Vilna.
- Slavic suffix "-ski", Germanic suffix "-er".
- Occupational: Based on vocation:
- "Reznik" [Polish/Yiddish], "Shochet" [Hebrew] = butcher.
- "Shnyder" [German/Yiddish], "Kravits" [Polish/Ukrainian], "Portnoy" [Russian] = tailor.
- Personal description or characteristics:
- "Schwartz" = black, "Weiss" = white, "Klein" = small...
- Religious:
- "Cohen" ("Kahn", etc.), "Levine", "Segal", "Katz"...
- Artificial: Fanciful or ornamental names:
- Many names ending in "-berg", "-stein", "-feld"...
- "Rosenberg" = mountain of roses,
- "Finkelstein" = glittering stone.
- Many names ending in "-berg", "-stein", "-feld"...
Only a few families had surnames before 1800. (Rabbinical families: Rapaport, Auerbach, Rothschild, Katzenellenbogen, Horowitz, etc).
Just because two people have the same surname, it does not necessarily mean that they are related. Very few Jewish surnames are monogenetic, i.e. there was more than one progenitor with that surname. Many Jewish surnames (e.g. Cohen, Levine, Katz, Kaplan, Weiss, Klein, Feldman, Greenberg, Freidman, Finkelstein, Epstein, most patronymics) are extremely common, each having tens of thousands of bearers. Common names sprang up in many non-related families throughout Eastern Europe. So doing surname matches alone is not always productive. Geography matches are often more important than the surname matches.
Did you know?
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Correspondence:
From: Trevor Kaye ✆ to Gillian Berchowitz
12/6/07
Dear Gillian,
Thanks for all the info you have sent Brenda. I have just started studying it and it is a mine of information!
Take care and thanks once again.
Happy Chanukah!
Trevor
From: Gillian Berchowitz ✆ to me
12/6/07
Hi Trevor,
Great to hear from you. Seeing the ship manifest was the most wonderful surprise. It's true that my dad (Gutman, but known as Goodman) was born in 1910 in Dvinsk, now Daugavpils. He was apprenticed to a boot maker at 12. We have a photo taken at the shop. He looks miserable and evidently was. He did learn a lot, though, and sewed a leather jacket for my sister on a Singer treadle machine and made a wonderful green leather art deco sofa and chairs. I remember the names Haim Zvi and Feiga Rivka but I don't think that I realized that they were Isaac Ospovat's parents. I want to go to Daugavpils one of these days. Have quite a few books about Jewish life in Latvia. Bought The Unfinished Road: Jewish Survivors of Latvia Look Back, edited by Gertrude Schneider. a few weeks ago Haven't read it yet but I know it's a set of sad stories. Thank you so much for piecing this all together. I'd appreciate an update now and again.
Happy Hannukah to you too!
All best,
Gillian
12/6/07
Dear Gillian,
Thanks for all the info you have sent Brenda. I have just started studying it and it is a mine of information!
- I did learn that your late Dad (Gutman) was born in Latvia in 1910 and from the Union Castle manifest he was 25 and a "bootmaker" when he arrived in Cape Town in 1935.
- I also learned about my late great grandmother Feiga Ruvka Ichlov who was born in 1871 and married Hyman Ospovat (Haim Zvi......my hebrew name!). They were the parents of my mother's father Isaac Ospovat.
- An interesting fact was that a brother (Hyman) and a sister (Simcha) Ospovat married a brother and sister (Ichlov)
Take care and thanks once again.
Happy Chanukah!
Trevor
From: Gillian Berchowitz ✆ to me
12/6/07
Hi Trevor,
Great to hear from you. Seeing the ship manifest was the most wonderful surprise. It's true that my dad (Gutman, but known as Goodman) was born in 1910 in Dvinsk, now Daugavpils. He was apprenticed to a boot maker at 12. We have a photo taken at the shop. He looks miserable and evidently was. He did learn a lot, though, and sewed a leather jacket for my sister on a Singer treadle machine and made a wonderful green leather art deco sofa and chairs. I remember the names Haim Zvi and Feiga Rivka but I don't think that I realized that they were Isaac Ospovat's parents. I want to go to Daugavpils one of these days. Have quite a few books about Jewish life in Latvia. Bought The Unfinished Road: Jewish Survivors of Latvia Look Back, edited by Gertrude Schneider. a few weeks ago Haven't read it yet but I know it's a set of sad stories. Thank you so much for piecing this all together. I'd appreciate an update now and again.
Happy Hannukah to you too!
All best,
Gillian
From: Barry Shay
To: Joy Wilkin ; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; Michael Ishlove ; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Ichlovs
Greetings,
I know its been quite a while since we communicated and I hope that you and your families are all doing well. My wife and I recently returned from Australia where we met Peter Icklow and his family in Sydney. As you may know, his father Sydney brought the family from CT to Sydney in about 1955 and they've been there ever since. Peter contacted me in February, after finding my name on the Latvia SIG web site where I listed Ichlov/Icklow as a family related to me. Well, it turns out, Peter's father was my first cousin i.e. Sydney's mother was my father's sister. To make a long story short, I had compiled a lot of information about the Ichlov family and with information I learned from Peter, the National Archives in London, the JewishGen Latvia Database, and other sources I have been able to put together a rather complete Ichlov family tree. When I met Wolfie in London a couple of years ago, we couldn't quite figure out how we all fit together as a family so I am attaching the Ichlov family tree that I have developed. I did make a few assumptions on lineage based on dates of birth, family names, and relationships as defined in the Latvia database so there could be some errors. Please let me know if you find some and also please fill in surnames and maiden names and missing dates of births and deaths if you have that information. Wolfie: We are going to London on 18 December to visit my son and family in Barnes again. They have added another daughter since we met with you a couple of years ago. I have been in contact with Ronnie Icklow, who Peter met in London this past summer. Neither one knew the other one existed, and they are first cousins. I am planning to meet Ronnie in London, so perhaps it would be possible that we can all get together. We have not made definite plans, only that I will call him when I get to London. BTW, you and Ronnie are 2nd cousins, and he is my 1st cousin once removed and you are the grand nephew of my Aunt Esther's husband Haim Ichlov.
Whew!
All my best,
Barry
P.S. The Ospowats are important relatives of the Ichlovs and appear in the Ichlov tree so I have also attached an Ospowat tree as well. There are about 50 Ospowats listed in the JewishGen Latvia Database.
To: [email protected]
Dec 5, 2007
Subject: Ichlovs
Dear Barry,
Thank you so much for this work. I am forwarding this e-mail to Trevor Kaye, Isaac O's grandson who has been working on the Ospovat family. Thank you so much for the ship manifest! I have never seen it before. Where do you live and would you mind if I called you? My children's names are Luke Edwin Berchowitz and Andrea Jane Berchowitz. Please include my husband David's middle initial M.
Many thanks,
Gillian (Ishlove) Berchowitz
Dec 5, 2007
Subject: Ichlovs
Dear Barry,
Thank you so much for this work. I am forwarding this e-mail to Trevor Kaye, Isaac O's grandson who has been working on the Ospovat family. Thank you so much for the ship manifest! I have never seen it before. Where do you live and would you mind if I called you? My children's names are Luke Edwin Berchowitz and Andrea Jane Berchowitz. Please include my husband David's middle initial M.
Many thanks,
Gillian (Ishlove) Berchowitz
Hi again,
Since I sent you the email a few minutes ago I figured out how to look at your tree at Geni. Duh. Anyway, here's some good records for you with your Gutman Ichlov and his wife Sheina (there's more if you want):
From 1875 list of Dvinsk Jews:
Ichlov Abo son of Jankel- died in 1873
His son Elya- 29 years old
Son of Elya- David- 4 years old
Nephew of Abo- Jankel son of Itsik Ichlov- 37 years old
Ichlov Elya son of Leizer- died in 1868
His son Gutman-37 years old
Leizer-39 years old
Nachman-14 years old
Nephew of Elya- Leizer son Itsik Ichlov- 39 years old, reside in Lyutzin
His son Abo-1 years old
David-4
Son of Gutman:
Meyer-8
Chaim-Leizer-6
Ichlov Leizer son of Chaim- 31
This Ichlovs reside in Dubnabourg-Dvinsk
(LSHA, 4936-1-26)
From 1897 census:
In Dvinsk on Tverskaya street 73 in quarter 135 lived (the house was wooden and covered by wood):
1) Ichlov Gutman son of Elya, 55 years old, born and registered in Dvinsk, illiterate, cabinet-maker and glazier
2) His wife Sheine Gite, 55 years old, born in Vilkomir (now Ukmerge, Lithuania) district, knit socks
3) Son Abram-Shapshe, 19 years old, literate, learned in elementary school, at parents
4) Son Rachmiel Leib, 14 years old, illiterate
5) Daughter Dinke, 12 years old
6) Son in law David Josselevitch Druyan, 34 years old, born in Dvinsk, registered to Rezhitsa/Rezekne, , temporary absent in the estate Mikhailovo of Dvinsk district, he trade with milk and butter
7) Hius son Druyan Chaim-Itsik, 9 years old, literate in Hebrew, learned in Jewish school
(LSHA, 2706-1-60-page 69-70)
I know see that Elya or Elia Ichlov was your third great grandfather.
So he is the brother of Feiga and Channa. Channa was my 3rd Great Grandmother.
Can you back me up on Feiga and Channa being Elia's sisters?
Regards,
Miles Robert
Since I sent you the email a few minutes ago I figured out how to look at your tree at Geni. Duh. Anyway, here's some good records for you with your Gutman Ichlov and his wife Sheina (there's more if you want):
From 1875 list of Dvinsk Jews:
Ichlov Abo son of Jankel- died in 1873
His son Elya- 29 years old
Son of Elya- David- 4 years old
Nephew of Abo- Jankel son of Itsik Ichlov- 37 years old
Ichlov Elya son of Leizer- died in 1868
His son Gutman-37 years old
Leizer-39 years old
Nachman-14 years old
Nephew of Elya- Leizer son Itsik Ichlov- 39 years old, reside in Lyutzin
His son Abo-1 years old
David-4
Son of Gutman:
Meyer-8
Chaim-Leizer-6
Ichlov Leizer son of Chaim- 31
This Ichlovs reside in Dubnabourg-Dvinsk
(LSHA, 4936-1-26)
From 1897 census:
In Dvinsk on Tverskaya street 73 in quarter 135 lived (the house was wooden and covered by wood):
1) Ichlov Gutman son of Elya, 55 years old, born and registered in Dvinsk, illiterate, cabinet-maker and glazier
2) His wife Sheine Gite, 55 years old, born in Vilkomir (now Ukmerge, Lithuania) district, knit socks
3) Son Abram-Shapshe, 19 years old, literate, learned in elementary school, at parents
4) Son Rachmiel Leib, 14 years old, illiterate
5) Daughter Dinke, 12 years old
6) Son in law David Josselevitch Druyan, 34 years old, born in Dvinsk, registered to Rezhitsa/Rezekne, , temporary absent in the estate Mikhailovo of Dvinsk district, he trade with milk and butter
7) Hius son Druyan Chaim-Itsik, 9 years old, literate in Hebrew, learned in Jewish school
(LSHA, 2706-1-60-page 69-70)
I know see that Elya or Elia Ichlov was your third great grandfather.
So he is the brother of Feiga and Channa. Channa was my 3rd Great Grandmother.
Can you back me up on Feiga and Channa being Elia's sisters?
Regards,
Miles Robert
To : Gillian Berchowitz
Dec 5, 2007
Dear Gillian,
Thanks for all the info you have sent Brenda. I have just started studying it and it is a mine of information!
Take care and thanks once again.
Happy Chanukah!
Trevor
Dec 5, 2007
Dear Gillian,
Thanks for all the info you have sent Brenda. I have just started studying it and it is a mine of information!
- I did learn that your late Dad (Gutman) was born in Latvia in 1910 and from the Union Castle manifest he was 25 and a "bootmaker" when he arrived in Cape Town in 1935.
- I also learned about my late great grandmother Feiga Ruvka Ichlov who was born in 1871 and married Hyman Ospovat (Haim Zvi......my hebrew name!). They were the parents of my mother's father Isaac Ospovat.
- An interesting fact was that a brother (Hyman) and a sister (Simcha) Ospovat married a brother and sister (Ichlov)
Take care and thanks once again.
Happy Chanukah!
Trevor
Jan 12, 2011
Subject: re: Ichlov and Ospovat family trees
Hi Trevor,
I haven’t looked at the Ichlov/Ospovat tree for quite some time and I am updating it based on information on your website. I also had some emails a couple of years ago from Miles Roberts but have not yet tried to reconcile some of his data with mine. If you don’t mind, I’ll try to incorporate this information with yours before I send you an updated version of the trees that I have.
Attached is from the South Africa archives and shows that Haim Ospovat and Haim Ichlov were cabinet makers from Dvinsk and lived together. This Haim Ospovat is you GGF and he and Haim Ichlov (my aunt’s husband) were friends in Dvinsk and traveled to Cape Town together. Haim Ichlov and family may have moved to London from Dvinsk and then he traveled to CT. I believe they started a cabinet/furniture business together in Cape Town which Isaac Ospovat developed into a larger business. I believe Haim Ichlov went back to London in 1909 to bring his wife (my aunt) and seven children back to CT. Unfortunately, he either died on the ship or shortly after he returned to London of some sort of stomach cancer. (I have the death certificate.) so the family remained in London. My father went to London in about 1912 and lived with his sister and her children until he left London in 1914 and came to the U.S.
BTW, my wife and I will be going to South Africa on March 1st on a group tour and I plan to meet with some of my Ichlov cousins in CT. We’ll also be in JBurg for a few days as well.
Regards,
Barry
Subject: re: Ichlov and Ospovat family trees
Hi Trevor,
I haven’t looked at the Ichlov/Ospovat tree for quite some time and I am updating it based on information on your website. I also had some emails a couple of years ago from Miles Roberts but have not yet tried to reconcile some of his data with mine. If you don’t mind, I’ll try to incorporate this information with yours before I send you an updated version of the trees that I have.
Attached is from the South Africa archives and shows that Haim Ospovat and Haim Ichlov were cabinet makers from Dvinsk and lived together. This Haim Ospovat is you GGF and he and Haim Ichlov (my aunt’s husband) were friends in Dvinsk and traveled to Cape Town together. Haim Ichlov and family may have moved to London from Dvinsk and then he traveled to CT. I believe they started a cabinet/furniture business together in Cape Town which Isaac Ospovat developed into a larger business. I believe Haim Ichlov went back to London in 1909 to bring his wife (my aunt) and seven children back to CT. Unfortunately, he either died on the ship or shortly after he returned to London of some sort of stomach cancer. (I have the death certificate.) so the family remained in London. My father went to London in about 1912 and lived with his sister and her children until he left London in 1914 and came to the U.S.
BTW, my wife and I will be going to South Africa on March 1st on a group tour and I plan to meet with some of my Ichlov cousins in CT. We’ll also be in JBurg for a few days as well.
Regards,
Barry
From: Beth Krom
To: Trevor Kaye
Date: February 12, 2011
Hello Trevor,
Thank you for sending the link to the Ichlov family tree you have put together. I am cc'ing this e-mail to some other members of the family to encourage them to check out the link: http://ospovat-ichlove-beck-family.weebly.com/ My name is Beth Krom (maiden name Weinstein) and I am married to Solly Krom, son of Doba/Dora Krom (who married Jacob Krom) and grandson of Rachmiel Leib and Rochel Leib.One correction: Dora's children were Nechame (a daughter born May 24th, 1952) and Solly (born January 30th, 1955). You have Tony Krom listed — Nechame's husband is Tony Sacks which is where the confusion must have come from.Nechame has four children:Janene (married to Gary Weinstein, children Jake, Mikaela and Levi)Larry (married to Jeanine, son Benjamin)RyanRomyI note that you list a Joseph Ichlov as a brother of Doba/Dora. Was this a brother who died? I recall a story of a brother who died in a gymnastics accident — not sure my memory is correct, but wonder whether you know more.I also noted that you do not have the children of Ivan and Judy Ginsburg. Ivan is the son of Chaya (Dora's sister) and Gershon Ginsburg. Ivan and Judy have a daughter, Shana and a son, Rael. I have included them on this e-mail so they can fill in other details. Shana is married to Chilly Chrysler and has three children — Jade, Adam and Noa. Solly and I (Beth Weinstein, b. 12-28-58) were married on 7-3-83, and have three children as well, although sadly we lost our son Noah in 2009. Our children are Abby Krom (b. 7-5-85), Noah Krom (b. 5-2-87, d. 6-6-09) and Hershel Krom (b. 4-5-89). We live in Irvine, California.
You mention that: "An interesting fact was that a brother (Hyman) and a sister (Simcha) Ospovat married a brother and sister (Ichlov)" — history repeated itself (though not within the same gene pool) when Wolfie Ginsburg and Ivan Ginsburg (sons of Chaya Ginsburg and brothers of Shulamit Rozowsky) married two sisters, Gael and Judy Schneider.
Please help me understand your connection to Solly's mother's family. There's a lot of information to absorb. I think it is wonderful that you have put the effort into this project. I'm from upstate NY — the Buffalo area — but met Solly in Texas. Interestingly, when Solly and I were dating, I learned that I had a South African branch to my family as my great grandmother's 3 brothers went to South Africa when she came to America from Lithuania. Long story short, we discovered that Solly went to Optometry School in South Africa with one of my cousins, and another cousin married a man who was raised in the house right behind the house Solly grew up in.
Thanks again for sending the link.
Beth
To: Trevor Kaye
Date: February 12, 2011
Hello Trevor,
Thank you for sending the link to the Ichlov family tree you have put together. I am cc'ing this e-mail to some other members of the family to encourage them to check out the link: http://ospovat-ichlove-beck-family.weebly.com/ My name is Beth Krom (maiden name Weinstein) and I am married to Solly Krom, son of Doba/Dora Krom (who married Jacob Krom) and grandson of Rachmiel Leib and Rochel Leib.One correction: Dora's children were Nechame (a daughter born May 24th, 1952) and Solly (born January 30th, 1955). You have Tony Krom listed — Nechame's husband is Tony Sacks which is where the confusion must have come from.Nechame has four children:Janene (married to Gary Weinstein, children Jake, Mikaela and Levi)Larry (married to Jeanine, son Benjamin)RyanRomyI note that you list a Joseph Ichlov as a brother of Doba/Dora. Was this a brother who died? I recall a story of a brother who died in a gymnastics accident — not sure my memory is correct, but wonder whether you know more.I also noted that you do not have the children of Ivan and Judy Ginsburg. Ivan is the son of Chaya (Dora's sister) and Gershon Ginsburg. Ivan and Judy have a daughter, Shana and a son, Rael. I have included them on this e-mail so they can fill in other details. Shana is married to Chilly Chrysler and has three children — Jade, Adam and Noa. Solly and I (Beth Weinstein, b. 12-28-58) were married on 7-3-83, and have three children as well, although sadly we lost our son Noah in 2009. Our children are Abby Krom (b. 7-5-85), Noah Krom (b. 5-2-87, d. 6-6-09) and Hershel Krom (b. 4-5-89). We live in Irvine, California.
You mention that: "An interesting fact was that a brother (Hyman) and a sister (Simcha) Ospovat married a brother and sister (Ichlov)" — history repeated itself (though not within the same gene pool) when Wolfie Ginsburg and Ivan Ginsburg (sons of Chaya Ginsburg and brothers of Shulamit Rozowsky) married two sisters, Gael and Judy Schneider.
Please help me understand your connection to Solly's mother's family. There's a lot of information to absorb. I think it is wonderful that you have put the effort into this project. I'm from upstate NY — the Buffalo area — but met Solly in Texas. Interestingly, when Solly and I were dating, I learned that I had a South African branch to my family as my great grandmother's 3 brothers went to South Africa when she came to America from Lithuania. Long story short, we discovered that Solly went to Optometry School in South Africa with one of my cousins, and another cousin married a man who was raised in the house right behind the house Solly grew up in.
Thanks again for sending the link.
Beth
Jan 14, 2011
Subject: Leib Beck
Hi Trevor,
Here are some tidbits of information. I was studying that photo of Leib Beck that you have on the website and could not help noticing how well groomed he was. Well, I think we can safely assume that his neatly trimmed beard was the craftsmanship of my grandfather, Morris Beck, who was a barber. His barbershop used to be at the corner of Wale and Adderley Streets in Cape Town. Many parliamentarians used to come there for their haircuts. He was very interested in politics and used to manage the electoral campaign of Mr Louis Gradner, former Mayor of Cape Town. During the depression my grandfather had to leave the family behind in Cape Town due to lack of work, and went to Johannesburg for a year where he worked for Solly Kramer, who owned a chain of barber shops. This is the same Solly Kramer after whom the well known liquor chain was named. The Kramers were somehow related but I am not sure how.
Cheers for now
Pharrel
Subject: Leib Beck
Hi Trevor,
Here are some tidbits of information. I was studying that photo of Leib Beck that you have on the website and could not help noticing how well groomed he was. Well, I think we can safely assume that his neatly trimmed beard was the craftsmanship of my grandfather, Morris Beck, who was a barber. His barbershop used to be at the corner of Wale and Adderley Streets in Cape Town. Many parliamentarians used to come there for their haircuts. He was very interested in politics and used to manage the electoral campaign of Mr Louis Gradner, former Mayor of Cape Town. During the depression my grandfather had to leave the family behind in Cape Town due to lack of work, and went to Johannesburg for a year where he worked for Solly Kramer, who owned a chain of barber shops. This is the same Solly Kramer after whom the well known liquor chain was named. The Kramers were somehow related but I am not sure how.
Cheers for now
Pharrel